Curse

Perishiko ReLLiK · Jun 07, 2005, 03:55 PM // 15:55

/agree

Wow, nothing can be closer to the truth... And yea... it's funny to just piss them off... i normaly found out that telling them the team doesnt need them, makes them leave, with no kamikaze styles... simply a "You Noobs!!1... Player leaves game..." Of course giving no one time to reply to him, because he's afraid of the responses he might get... and of course... can't control his little "crying baby" symptom... Sometimes they start shouting how crapy everyone is, and don't leave without making some kind of "problem"... but it seems you've already gone over those problems ^.^

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Originally Posted by Rhunex

I'm sorry but if you honestly think you can survive anything without a monk, then you definately haven't fought any of the harder monsters in the game. It really isn't a matter of how much skill you have when you're being swarmed by 20 jade scarabs. If you have no monk, you will most likely die. Numbers overpower skill, always, no exceptions, ever.

You also have not fought with the Jades/Mursaat before if you think monks are not needed. They deal big damage, and high health degen, even if you're 100% infused with the best armor in the game. For example, in Thunderhead Keep, you have to fight on two seperate sides of a fort, and you're constantly hit by Mursaat and Jade Armors and Jade Bows. Without 2 monks in a group, it would be impossible to kill all of them in time to defend the fort, and you would most likely die from trying to use your "skill" at the game instead of flat out slaughtering them before the next way came.

I agree with your kamikaze statement, it's usually the people without serious names that do the dumbest things.

If you honestly think that everyone who adds on a feudal system tag to their favorite gaming name makes them a retard, then you should try to find out more about those people. I have a gaming name I like to use...Rhunex(go figure...don't tell anyone the big secret) but usually I get to use 1 name in a game, no last name or anything like that. So, in order to fill that void, I've sometimes turned to making my warrior called Sir Rhunex or a female monk Lady Rhunex. I have yet to die alone in a mission. The only time I die, is if my group dies. Don't judge people on their internet name, seriously it's just as bad as judging people on their looks in "real" life.

Well... first comment on the whole "no monk" idea... Nah... really, it can be done... and really, whats funny... is you're totaly wrong... lots of the harder missions can be done without monks... If you have patience, and "gaming skill"... because as we may know, those "uber" items, dont have better stats then another maxed dmg weapon of the same type... its your skill that matters more... But anyhow... each class comes with its own form of a self heal + defensive abilities... if you actually make your character for a team-sufficient build for a monk, i can see you "Needing" a monk... but every character can solo/team without monks in every place... as long as they have the "skill" needed...

And if you don't think this applies in pvp, you're wrong there too... cause ive won quite a few with No monks... in fact... with this air elemental craze that's going on... its better to not have monks... you cant heal that dmg that fast anyways...

Meh, gotta go... maybe ill come back and comment some more.

Talesin Darkbriar · Jun 07, 2005, 04:55 PM // 16:55

Here's a few other common examples:

4.) The Puppetmaster or: "You exist to serve me..."
A control freak. Commonly seen in mission zones yelling "Group seeks players who will listen / do as told!"
Their righteous rage stemmed in their back to back mission failures and the denial/delusion that everyone except them was to blame for it.
I understand this frustration, having authored examples 1-3 in the OP; but this is not the way to deal with it, We are players, not NPCs.
(Although in many cases NPCs are superior to actual players...)

Once in the mission, if anyone steps a pace in front of the Puppetmaster, he screams STOP, and in general speaks exclusively with the CAP LOCK key on.
Does the mission actually run any smoother? No.
Does he typically lead the group into doom? Yes.
Does he do it with authority? Absolutely!
At least there is consistency...

Results: These players are typically mo more skilled than the scrubs described in the OP, with the additional benefit that they suffer from delusions of grandeur and overwhelming megalomania causing them to treat you like NPCs.

Solution: Suggest they CHOOSE NPCs, and drop group immediately.

5.) The foreign exchange student aka "the leech"
You know the guy; he joins the group without uttering a word, and at mission start either:

a.) Promptly runs off in a different direction. (WARNING: May be a SC Kamikaze! See #2 in OP above.)
b.) Goes AFK without notice.
c.) Follows the group but never engages in combat.

He is simply along for the ride. Chances are, he's not even at the computer but watching American idol, or a beauty pageant. Any questions directed at him are met with no response whatsoever.

Results: Seemingly innocuous, the foreign exchange student seeks to "fly under the radar" to pick up some free xp and loot at the expense of your effort - he contributes nothing to the group or the mission.

Solution: Kick him from the group immediately.
NOTE: In many cases, this results in a sudden stream of fluent english; "Why did you kick me?" "I need reinvite!" etc. Don't fall for it.

kungfumonkey2 · Jun 07, 2005, 05:39 PM // 17:39

These posts ring very true.

As far as needing 2 monks, I have found the more I have played the less I have needed a monk, and yes I have done RoF and whatever else map. Helped a guild member through Thunderhead last nite, with only 1 monk. Her/his job was to make sure the king lived. I think we maybe had 2 people die the entire time.

I actually prefer to take henchies, because I have never been suicided by one. It helps reduce that SC factor. I love it when someone asks to join your group then sees you have Alesia (Mehnlo later on) and they are like "HENCHMAN SUCK" and leave. Fine with me though. I actually have kind of grown attached to henchies because I have used them so much.

My guild members and I prefer henchman to fill in, as I have had some of the worst luck lately with SC.

As a matter of fact I accidentally recruited a SC in our guild. He spoke sweet and was very yes sir, yes ma'am. Low and behold he suicided us umpteen times when I was helping guild members through Elona (including him). We had a lvl 15 Monk with us (Templar Bob, great guy thank you for sticking with us) who I could tell this was not his first character, that helped us out greatly. Our Guild member SC would run off aggro on the monk and die and then start swearing at the monk saying he was a n00b and would pwn him because he didn't heal him. We kept at the mission though and I apologized to Bob (anyone else would of left for sure) and he stuck with us. Later on our SC left and we completed the mission. Proud to say with about 12 minutes left on the clock. Then he came back on and was actually angry that we completed the quest without him. This guild member of ours is the worst SC ever, and he will not be wearing our colours for much longer. I am sure when I kick him he will insue with a barrage of insults of how n00b I am, but he has nothing to offer our guild or any guild.

Pevil Lihatuh · Jun 07, 2005, 06:13 PM // 18:13

totally agree with everything. i hate entering groups that are like omg we need a monk, omg we dont have enough warriors, omg there are too many rangers *sigh* how about "omg we need people with skill"? hmm?

unfortunately i've teamed up with every single type of person listed here. i just hope no one has put me in one of these groups!

Dr Titch · Jun 07, 2005, 06:27 PM // 18:27

i remeber s guy i think his name was cold fever or something like that he was a E/somthing and he thought he was the best.
So anyway we were all going along quite nicely taking everything on 1 by 1, then he comes out with its this way and runs off into a large group of red dots and once th attacked him he ran back to us.
see 30 red things running at us we did the only thing we could do we ran like hell. After a while he died and started shouting at us how we were all n00bs and we can't play and our monk is $hlT and that we should go res him or pay the price. We just left him in a hole somewere he got in a big stress and left

Accolon Pendragon · Jun 07, 2005, 07:20 PM // 19:20

I've encountered another kind a couple of times. The Beggar:
They keep asking you to give them this, and give them that and asking for loot that was not theirs during missions and even during fights in some extreme cases.

Should they not have their way, they might try to screw the whole mission as a reprisal.

The worst case of this one that I saw was a Warrior/Monk who was in a random party for an infusion run. After we got to the Seer, one of the monsters on the way to the Elodom Boss dropped a Bow (a blue one) and he had to have it for himself god knows why. He kept annoying the hell out of us until the very end. We finished the run and decided to do it again so we rushed to the first group of monsters in order to die quickly and restart without having to look for one another to form the party again. Since he didn't get the Bow he wanted so much, he ran to a corner and stood there just to make us leave the mission and go through the whole thing of regrouping again. Sure enough, his name was "Super something".

Talesin Darkbriar · Jun 07, 2005, 09:04 PM // 21:04

Death is the only reward examples 1-5 require.
Now your mission is to help them acquire it ASAP~

Miss Puddles · Jun 07, 2005, 09:07 PM // 21:07

i was doing ring of fire mission for the first time a few days ago, and it turned out we had every description mentioned here rolled into a single necro. either stayed way out of the line of fire while we fought or ran straight into the lava and died, then complained when we wanted to leave him there. a monk took pity and resed him, and he proceeded to take off his armor (except boots and gloves!), spout completely childish nonsense, and /flex while we tried to res dead party members and like, be productive *gaspshockhorror*
even after we had clearly decided to leave him dead in the lava (yes, he went back in) he kept saying "ill b guud dun leev me hir!!!!!!!1111!!" and the like. >.< yeah, that's a good way to get your teammates to res you...and kept doing so until our 1 lone warrior left standing finally succumbed to a hoard of phantoms after a long and grueling battle. no thanks to this guys, of course.
some people just don't understand that there's a time to mess around and have fun, and there's a time to buckle down and get to work.